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Des Bulpin

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  • Started 2 years ago by caz_md
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  1. caz_md

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    Hi everyone! Long time no post!

    I wandered into the Philippine Football Wiki on Wikipedia and noticed that we have a new coach! This all seemed to happen in a pretty low-key environment, if it's true.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines_national_football_team

    Anyways, the coach is Des Bulpin? Is this for real? Another April Fool's joke?
    Here's his Wiki:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_Bulpin

    Who is Des Bulpin? He's been discussed heavily on the Filipino Football Blog already.
    http://filipinofootball.blogspot.com/2009/11/des-bulpin-philippines-new-nt-coach.html
    Anyways, a simple Google search would yield much better results.

    So what're your thoughts on this?

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    Posted 2 years ago #

  2. qwerty0.0

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    April fools joke? haha! No, it's not. He was appointed early November last year. And if you're gonna check a Wikipedia article, then check for proper referencing. And that article on Des Bulpin is legit. Him becoming the coach of the Philippines was even reported on Sky Sports which is definitely a reliable source and is also used as a reference on his Wiki article.

    Anyway... he's way better than anything locally. Only thing is, he's only on a one year deal. After the Suzuki Cup qualifiers in October he's pretty much out of contract and I for one doubt he would sign an extension especially if the Philippines fails to qualify for the Suzuki Cup.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  3. Weilered

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    Des is legit. Who did he discover again, Crouch or Defoe, or was it both? Anyway. Times where fil-foreigners could just fly in unfit and expect to be a shoe-in is over. From what ive read the new coach demands players to be in good shape, no matter if their name is Chad Gould, Chris Greatwich or whoever. If not, theyre benched. There is a whole new mentality going on with Des. And he has changed things for the better. Lets see in a few months if they will qualify for the Suzuki Cup. The preliminary qualifiers for the WC is also the same month. So who knows, maybe theyll join that one also? Kinda weird that they only hired him for 1 year. Dont know if its the PFF who decided that, or the guys who pays the coaches salary.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  4. qwerty0.0

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    He discovered Crouch.

    When and under which coach did any fil-foreigners walk into the national team unfit? To be honest, I'm not buying into that story. At the end of the day, even if some of the fil-foreigners weren't as fit as they could have been when they've been selected, I'm sure it's because they still have more to offer the team than a a fully fit local player and if that's the case, then I fully agree with it.

    Probably it's Bulpin himself who only wanted a 1 year deal and I can understand that.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  5. Weilered

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    In 2008 when coach Norman was the coach the PFF suddenly had an urge to hunt for fil-foreigners to beef up the team just a few weeks before the tournament started. One player was injured for quite some time and hadnt played footie for many many months. He had problems keeping up with local college players, and he was imo very lazy. Another player hasnt played regular football the last couple of years, but he still got called in for the friendlies in Taiwan earlier this year. That same player got the chance in 2008 also after being "absent" from the MNT for years. You actually got talents in Philippines who can play at his level, even better also if given chance, but sometimes the management thinks that players abroad are better just because they live in Europe or wherever. How can talents get international experience if foreign based players get their spot and get treated better, and theyre not even that good. Some fil-foreigners who fly to Philippines to try out also have the mentality that theyre better just because they play in Europe. Years ago the fil-foreigners had to pay for their own accommodation, or at least the airfare, now its changed.

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  6. qwerty0.0

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    I'm quite sure one of those players you're talking about is Chad Gould... he's the only fil-foreigner that has been "absent" for a few years up until 2008.

    Like I said, even if one or even two of the fil-foreigners aren't as fit as they should be and still gets picked ahead of a fully fit local player, it would depend the position they play and the other options that are available. In the case of Chad Gould, for me I agree with their decision to continue to select him even if he's not fully fit. What other striker does the Philippines have who is over six fee tall, good in the air, and is capable of holding up the ball in the final third? Simple... nobody. There's no other option that has the attributes that he does and that's why he is still a really good option to have within the team even if he isn't a starter.

    The other player you're talking about, I have no clue who that is.

    And which of those fil-foreigners are you talking about who has the mentality that they're better just because they play in Europe? You're telling me some of them are arrogant?

    Posted 2 years ago #

  7. Weilered

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    Im talking about players who have gone to Philippines to try out and of course, didnt make it, even if they thought they were more than good enough because they play and train regularly abroad. There are also lot of players abroad who really doesnt know much about Philippines and the sport in Philippines. Theyve come with questions if players play barefoot in the Philippines. lol

    Youre right, it was Chad. As far as i know he havent played for a club since 2008, maybe he does, but i havent found out anything. Thats 2 years with no regular footie, only beach soccer once in a while. For me that isnt good enough. I mean the guy is a decent player, but when you want to play international games then you should be fit. It does make a huge difference. Philippines had a quality striker, but too bad PFF messed it up, and also personal decisions. Im sure you know who that is.

    I wish we could see the Elhabbib guys from Kaya on the national team. Other nations gives foreigners citizenship, why cant we? Those guys, as from what ive been told are quality players, and are a couple of notches better than the rest of the guys. They also got perfect size and could give a lot of beating on the field.

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  8. bomber

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    As far as I know, players who try out, do so at their own expense. The advantage of having a coach like Des Bulpin, is that he can make a few phone calls or send a few emails and he would very quickly know whether a prospective British based Azkal is a contender or a pretender. He could probably tell just from looking at what teams the guy has played for to determine whether it is even worth his time to make a phone call or send an email.
    If you are worried that a British coach will bring in rubbish players, don't worry. I think the days of someone showing up with a pair of boots and an English accent and expecting a MNT shirt are over. On the other hand, if he stays, I think you can expect him to start getting quality referrals from other coaches and players.

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  9. Weilered

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    I didnt say that players who try out get their airfare paid. That would be plain stupidity and economic suicide by the PFF, and luckily they dont pay airfare for wanna be superstars.

    Im looking forward for the Suzuki Cup qualifier. I hope they can get the good players who said they want to play for the MNT.

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  10. qwerty0.0

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    @ bomber

    "the days of someone showing up with a pair of boots and an English accent and expecting a MNT shirt are over"

    You make it sound like every single fil-foreinger has a spot reserved specifically for them in the national team regardless of any situation. I strongly believe that isn't the case. Therefore, it makes it seem like there's negativity/hatred towards the fil-foreigners.

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  11. bomber

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    As they said in the movie Cool Hand Luke, "What we have here is a failure to communicate".

    Weilered, this is what you said about foreign based players getting airfare paid:

    "Some fil-foreigners who fly to Philippines to try out also have the mentality that theyre better just because they play in Europe. Years ago the fil-foreigners had to pay for their own accommodation, or at least the airfare, now its changed."

    Reading that statement, gave me the impression that you believe that players coming from overseas for a tryout get their airfare and accommodation paid for by the PFF. Now I understand that you did not intend to give that impression. No problem!

    qwerty0.0
    The key word in that sentence was "expecting". I was referring to players who may have thought that they could just show up and make the MNT. I never intended to imply that it was actually the case that foreign based players did have a spot on the team. I suspect that foreign based players have a harder time being called up for games, especially friendlies. They have to be much better than local players to justify the expense of flying them in, even if they do make the team at their tryout.

    I suspect that an English coach with professional experience would be able to make it clear to any Azkal prospect, the level of play and fitness that would be expected. Therefore unqualified players will no longer show up "expecting" a MNT shirt.

    Hopefully I have made myself clear.

    I do not have a problem with foreign born or based players. England, Germany, Portugal, USA, Italy, have all competed in World Cups with foreign players. At the last futsal world championship, Italy showed up with a team of Ital-Brazilians. In international football, winning is what it should be about, not politics or hurt feelings.

    I believe that the RP WNT could dominate the AFF and SEA Games and be highly competitive in the AFC if the PFF gave them a North American coach and the budget to bring in players from Canada, USA, and Australia, who have played in the US NCAA Division 1 or its equivalent in Canada or Australia. However the country has more important priorities than women's football, so I will never learn whether my beliefs are correct.

    Thanks guys for contributing to the discussion.

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  12. qwerty0.0

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    When you say "try out", you make it sound as if they haven't played for the team yet or anything else in that sense.

    Anyway.... still, even if the key word is "expecting", fil-foreigners would not and will not be called up to the squad if they're not going to be part of it. I know the PFF is quite incompetent and what have you, but I'm sure they're not stupid enough and the coaches aren't stupid enough to call up a fil-foreigner, shoulder part of their expenses for flying in and ultimately not be part of the squad. It's a waste of time for everybody. Therefore, again, if a fil-foreigner gets a call up to the squad and that player is available, it's practically 100% they'll be part of the final squad for whatever games/matches that will take place. Whether they'll actually get playing time or not, be a starter or not, I don't know and that would depend.

    That is why I don't understand why people have any sort of notion that fil-foreigners have this or that mentality that they're better than anyone or are fixture within squad because of their status as Europe or abroad based players in general.

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  13. bomber

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    Weilered and I were talking about players who were not on the team and came to Manila for a trial or "tryout". I personally do not know of any players who show up expecting to be on the team who aren't good enough, but perhaps others do. My point is that with a British coach, an EU passport won't be enough to even get a tryout if your history and references don't check out.

    I expect the PFF would be pretty sure that a player would be on the squad before he gets the call up to to play game or tournament.

    I know there are some who don't like foreign based players coming in. In my experience their families are among the strongest supporters of the Azkals and the WNT. They come from overseas to watch the training. They travel to tournaments and games. They spend their own money when the PFF comes up short. They try to recruit more players. They are very grateful and proud to play for Pilipinas and they are filled with pride when their son or daughter is on the field and the anthem is playing. Players who come from overseas do not get any glory or money. I don't know about Phil and James, but for most it is a big sacrifice to leave their jobs, their clubs,their schools, and their families to play for flag and country.
    They do it because they are proud of their heritage. They may have been born elsewhere but their hearts are Filipino.

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  14. Sorin

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    I keep on reading that Des Bulpin was the coach of the Uzbekistan national team previously and when I went checking

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbekistan_national_football_team

    It did not come up as him being the coach at any stage
    I can see that Bobby Houghton had a brief spell in 2006
    I am wandering if Des was part of the coaching staff than or another incomplete wikipedia page??

    Regards

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  15. qwerty0.0

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    @ bomber

    Alright, well, that clears that up I guess. Because like you have mentioned, there are some who would rather have the team made up of local players only and because of that might have some negativity towards the fil-foreigners.

    At the end of the day, it is the national team. If a player is eligible, willing to play, is available and is one of the better options to have in the team, that player should be selected regardless of their status of being a fil-foreigner, pure Filipino, local or abroad based.

    @ Sorin

    A lot of Wiki pages especially on football are incomplete, have mistakes or a combination of both. Bulpin was the head coach of one of the Uzbek's youth teams, u17 or u20, I don't remember but not the senior team.

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  16. bomber

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    Well a quick google search shows that Des Bulpin has a long history in professional football and that Peter Crouch speaks very highly of him. That's good enough for me. He seems a lot more qualified than Gascoigne lol.
    One advantage of having a foreign coach is that he does not owe any favors to a club or university team and will hopefully pick the best players without worrying about offending his "regular" team. I hope local coaches take advantage of having an experienced professional coach around to help them develop their club and university players.
    The club level is where players and coaches need to develop, not the national team. You should not put a local player on the field ahead of a better foreign trained player to develop them and give them experience unless it is a non tournament friendly. The purpose of
    international football is to win. Learn to play at your club. Internationals are no place for novices.

    Holland pursued Jonathan De Guzman for years until he finally decided to play for them. They didn't care that he was Filipino-Jamaican and born in Canada (a Fil-Jam-Can). All they cared about was his talent. If a World Cup team doesn't care if somebody is "pure Dutch" or born in Holland, why should the Azkals restrict themselves to pure pinoy , Philippines born players? Would we have turned down de Guzman?

    The goal, of course, is to have children playing football all over the islands and have the best players develop into professional players & coaches. Putting the best team that we can afford on the field for internationals will hopefully inspire children to want to play football for their country one day.
    Having local coaches has resulted in a team that cannot beat Maldives. It is time to try something different. Good luck Des. Pilipinas laban!

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  17. Weilered

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    Do you know if Des Bulpin is conducting coaching seminars in the Philippines? Would be strange if he didnt. I mean, he cant be that busy with the MNT. The PFF should take use of his knowledge.

    I see your point with the other things you mentioned, but i dont completely agree.

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  18. bomber

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    I don't even know if he is going to live in the country.

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  19. qwerty0.0

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    Why would Bulpin be doing coaching seminars? I know they can make use of his knowledge but it's not his job. I don't think he agreed a deal to be the national coach and be a coaching instructor at the same time especially in the Philippines. If he did that, that would most likely mean he would have to live in the Philippines and again I don't think that is the case.

    I'm sure he has other stuff that's keeping him busy (football related or not) in England when he's not on duty for the Philippines.

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  20. Weilered

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    Why? Like you said, they could make use of his knowledge. Why did Philip Younghusband for example start his academy? Because he has been in training with the best, and know what it takes to make it, and has knowledge that can help young players to improve their game. Not necessarily to become the best in the world, but to improve. And also make a few bucks.

    I also asked because no one here really knows what kind of deal he agreed on. Maybe you qwerty got info that we dont know of, or its just plain speculation. There havent been any info on what his job is about, if its 100% MNT only, and not other obligations. So again, speculations on the other stuff or what not. He may not live in the Philippines, but he has to spend a lot of time in the Philippines, specially when they start the training camps. The training camps are usually not the usual 2 weeks like in other countries. I also didnt mean that he should conduct seminars on a regular basis. Even if he did it a couple of times it would actually help, and a couple of times doesnt really take a lot of time, or? A weekend or two is nothing.

    On the other hand, how can he recognize the local players if he isnt living in the Philippines? I know that the PFF always have a list of players in a training pool, but what if he actually got to choose the players he wanted and got to work with them for weeks and blend them into a good team instead of going through a bunch of players.

    Im not criticizing anyones post, im just plain curious.

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