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"Football and basketball can co-exist."

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  • Started 10 months ago by najyar
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  1. najyar

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    The original link from http://football.cebunetwork.com:

    http://football.cebunetwork.com/fair-play-a-great-weekend-for-sports-fans/2011/07/

    by Mike Limpag

    THE recent surge of the Philippine national team has put the football vs. basketball debate – done almost exclusively during drinking sessions between sports buddies before – in a whole new level.

    These days, the debate is getting so intense moderators in fan pages are taking it upon themselves to stop people from bashing other sports as it is counterproductive.

    Passionate fans who see a slight in some posts or articles sometimes nitpick and belittle the other sport’s achievements, and sometimes, openly advocate for its demise.

    Though, I admit, I’ve added a few points here and there, I’ve since shut up and avoided the debate. It was fun talking about it during the days when football was stuck in the backburner, but now?

    There’s no point.

    Ronnie Nathanielsz also didn’t help things by highlighting the different ratings, too, of the PBA and the Azkal games—which coincidentally, are aired by his previous and current employers.

    It’s wrong and doesn’t do much good except drive a wedge between football and basketball fans.

    If you limit basketball games to five a year, then every game will be packed, every telecast a hit—just like the Azkals matches.

    The Azkals, like Manny Pacquiao, have captured the casual fans and like Bob Arum says—they are the swing vote, the ones who will make or break a telecast.

    Basketball may, for some, be limited to the diehard fans now but I don’t think it means it is on its deathbed. The casual fan will come rooting, once Smart Gilas takes on the Asian heavies or when their favorite teams make the finals.

    There is no need for us to limit ourselves to one sport to cheer, support and follow. There is no need to tell major backers to finance only one sport.

    Football and basketball can co-exist.

    And this weekend, I hope, will be a chance for Pinoys to see that yes, we can sport one without ignoring the other.

    This weekend will be like no other and I don’t think there’s going to be another one like this.

    On Saturday evening, the NBA All-Stars, led by Kobe Bryant and Derrick Rose, will be in town, to face the PBA All-Stars and at midnight, it will be the Azkals against Kuwait for the first leg of the Fifa qualifiers and on Sunday evening, it will be Smart Gilas against the NBA stars.

    We’ve had a few NBA players who came over but most were retired, or past their prime.

    This is the first time that we are going to see stars at their peak play on local soil. And Rose and Bryant in one team? That’s a first since they play opposite each other in All-Star games.

    And the Azkal match in the second round of the Fifa World Cup qualifiers is a first, too.

    Seats for the basketball games—some selling at P5,000– will be the most coveted and I’m sure basketball fans, like football fans, will be wishing for a bigger venue.

    Seats for the Azkals’ home game—some selling at P3,000—are mostly gone. In fact, one fan said that after just five minutes after the start of the selling period, the P200 and P300 were sold out (Scalpers? Tsk, tsk). Some folks are posting online that only the P2,000 seats are left. That’s how great the demand is.

    With the Azkal home game and the two basketball games against the NBA stars a sellout, there’s no doubt, right?

    Football fans will follow their game, so will basketball fans.

    Fans of both—those who have the money to—will break their bank following both, while the rest can follow all matches on TV.

    All Pinoy sports fans are passionate, and it is unfortunate that some are targeting each other. I believe this weekend is a reminder for us that we can cheer as one.

    Let’s direct our enmity towards the other team, when the national team is playing.

    This weekend is the sports gods’ way of reminding us that there’s no need to fight and it’s better to follow more than one sport.

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    Posted 10 months ago #
  2. najyar

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    I always stressed this to the basketball haters...

    Posted 10 months ago #
  3. Sorin

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    Prejudice bias in sport is usually motivated and harbored by selfish fearful weak and or racist people throughout the world but there is major positive progress being made in the last decade but sadly still around.

    Filipinos Basketball supporters that get afraid of Football they need no fear as the 2 sports can coexist quiet OK with Europe being a good example with Professional Handball, Basketball, Rugby, Volleyball, Cricket and yes Football coexisting and thriving side by side.
    Not to mention that Barca and Real have Top European Football and Basketball Teams playing under the same Flags LOL
    Sport is great no matter what Code and neeed not be feared and discriminated against.....

    Here are some sad examples where prejudice, bias, racism and/or fear have segregated Sport....

    South Africa Whites choose Rugby over Football played mainly by the Blacks

    Australia in the past but quickly fading with Ausssies pro AFl and ARL vs Football played/supported by
    ethnic/wogg population

    USA and Canada similar to Australia with the Latinos added to the later list..

    Posted 10 months ago #
  4. Azkals

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    Another good example is the US, the hotbed of basketball, they're both good in basketball and soccer.

    Making football known in the Philippines.
    Posted 10 months ago #
  5. azkalroo

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    This response to Sorin may be a little off the topic here. Rugby, AFL and Rugby League in Australia claim to be "football" . But real "Football" or "Soccer" as we know is the only sport which is predominantly played by using the feet...strange aussies

    I was a part of the football revolution of young kids who decided to play "wogball" in the decade after Australia qualified the first time for the 1974 WC Finals hosted by West Germany. Right up until the late 90's the game was ridiculed and known for being a game played mostly by immigrants or new settlers. Many other people may use the term of "racism" to describe certain peoples attitudes towards the sport. A majority of the population used the term "soccer" for description until the 2006 WC Finals, where Australia qualified for their second appearance. Since that time the word "football" has gathered momentum increasingly and now a majority number of "Aussie" clubs have changed their club names to incorporate the word "football" and abandon the term "soccer". Haha I just think aussie football players loath using the word soccer just because the U.S refer to the "Joga Bonito" as soccer ;)

    Little known by the majority of Australians was the fact that the most successfull and awarded sports person from Australia, even to this day, is Craig Johnston who was a first team player from Liverpools greatest and one of the worlds best ever sides. In a career at Liverpool which spanned almost a decade during the 1980's, Johnston won 5 English Top League titles, 2 English League Cups, 1 European Champions League, 1 FA Cup, 1 English Charity League Cup and many numerous runner-up titles.

    To finish on topic. The Australian domestic basketball scene has continued to struggle for support for many years but just recently a few private investors with large finances have been scouting for a revamp of the national league.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  6. Ensafian

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    Little known by the majority of Australians was the fact that the most successfull and awarded sports person from Australia, even to this day, is Craig Johnston who was a first team player from Liverpools greatest and one of the worlds best ever sides. In a career at Liverpool which spanned almost a decade during the 1980's, Johnston won 5 English Top League titles, 2 English League Cups, 1 European Champions League, 1 FA Cup, 1 English Charity League Cup and many numerous runner-up titles.

    To finish on topic. The Australian domestic basketball scene has continued to struggle for support for many years but just recently a few private investors with large finances have been scouting for a revamp of the national league.

    Steve Ensafian
    Posted 10 months ago #
  7. EricXtian

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    the problem is this... in philippine culture it is uncommon to have two "favorite" things. our culture is a nativist one. we have the tendency to have a "national thing". like national animal, national tree, national hero, and national sports. thats why not that i am against the idea but as a student of history all i can say that the idea of this 2 sports co-existing is a long shot. we might like the other but we can only be a fanatic of one. just read philippine culture.

    its like a nora and vilma debate... vilma might have her moments but the masses would like nora. (nora=basketball, vilma=football)

    Posted 7 months ago #
  8. teddys dad

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    i suppose there is a difference between "two sports co-existing" and filipinos being fanatical about two sports. the question is, is there room in the philippines ie / mindshare=>popular support=>money support / for more than just basketball? i think this remains to be seen. i think two key measures will be known very soon:

    1) what will be the size of the UFL viewing audience on tv?
    2) will the expanded UFL, with better, more international & popular national level players in the mix, be able to charge admission for its games?

    after all, if people won't watch the sport on tv, and if people aren't willing to pay even p50 to see the teams play live, well then i think we will have our answer - at least for the short term.

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    Posted 7 months ago #
  9. EricXtian

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    i think football would have an audience naman. kung badminton at bilyar nga may nanonood football pa. but i guess the UFL must be cautious on how they stretch their league. for the next decade they should focus on stability muna. they should try avoiding competition with the PBA and basketball in general. football has it loyal and stable fanbase UFL should not loose them. importantly they should find players that can be poster boys for the league. thats the way PBA survived the late 80s when they thought the league would fold-up then came patrimonio, paras, lastimosa that gathered the fans' attention.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  10. HRK1

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    Below is a post I posted in another forum (PS: congratulations PHI for another gold in SEA Games Basketball):

    You know why PHI always win in basketball at SEA games? Because countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam etc etc DO NOT consider basketball as a sporting priority. So tinalo lang natin ang mga teams that don't give a damn about basketball.

    You know why we always lose in football in the SEA Games? Because countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam etc etc consider football as their NUMBER ONE sport.

    Basketball in South East Asia:
    We have been playing BB for the past 70 years or so, this is due to the American influence in PHI. Whereas our neighbours do not have that years of grassroots in basketball. Hence, lamang na lamang tayo (this is proven by our constant successes in basketball at the SEA Games and SEA Championships).

    Football in South East Asia:
    Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, Timor etc etc have been playing football for 80 years or so. They inherited football from their colonial masters (the Dutch, the Brits, the French and the Portuguese). Football is their NO. 1 sport. Their grassroots have close to 100 years of progress. Hence, lamang na lamang sila (this is proven by their constant successes and our constant failures in football).

    Our football have just re-emerged and it will take a long long time to see results.

    PS: As an Asian country, PHI is ALONE in shouting BASKETBALL is the BEST. Yes, Gilas came fourth in the recent FIBA Asian Championships, again that is against countries who do not consider basketball as their main sport - that's including the top 3 of China, Jordan and S. Korea.

    "Do or do not. There is no try" (Master Yoda)
    Posted 5 months ago #
  11. nonoynet

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    We have poor teams. Natatawa na lang ako pag nakikita ko plays ng azkals, kung sa basketball, puro fastbreaks. walang set plays.

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    Posted 5 months ago #

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