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sheajane80: Why the Azkals SHOULD Get a New Coach.

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  1. Azkals

    The First Azkal
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    Unedited post of sheajane80 needs to be highlighted.

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    in an effort to save kots' face, mr. palami has to issue a public statement para naman di tayo mapahiya mga palamunin ng $10 million moolahs. haha even though kitang-kita ng mga insiders it's the other way around for the football saviour pag sila-sila lang nag-uusap and not some public statement.

    "Under Weiss, we were able to reach the AFC Challenge Cup for the first time, reach the second round of the World Cup qualifiers and even placed second in the Taiwan Long Teng Cup, where we lost all our matches last year," he said. [Erratum: PHI only lost 1 match (against HKG U-23) in the 2010 tourney and is undefeated (drew twice, won once) in the 2011 tourney]

    - ayan nagkamali si mr. palami. para magmukhang mas magaling si kots kay mcmenemy pinalabas niyang talo lahat ng laro nung long teng cup 2010 ni mcmenemy while kay kots daw sa long teng 2011 ay wala daw talo.
    intentional or not, wag niyo kalimutan tong mga inside infos from many reliable sources na kitang-kita ng mga insiders it's the other way around for the football saviour pag sila-sila lang nag-uusap and not some public statement. isali niyo pa mga inside info ng mga close sa mga players and their gf's.

    as to why the azkals SHOULD get a new coach.
    let's look at the comparison of the 4 MONTH long coach who was one of the ingredients as to why the azkals and pinas football is where it is right now versus kot's almost 1 year tenure.

    2011 Long Teng cup, 1st place. coach mcmenemy

    2011 Long Teng cup, 2nd place. kots
    kaya rin ni mcmenemy mag 2nd place or baka mag champion sa 2011 long teng cup if siya nag coach sa stronger azkals ni kots.

    kots starts here :
    2012 AFC Challenge Cup qualification playoffs
    feb 9, 2011 PHL 2–0 Mongo
    March 15, 2011 PHL 1–2 Mongo
    - THE MOMENTUM WAS ON OUR SIDE. FROM DEC. 2010 SUZUKI SEMIS MIRACLE TO FIRST EVER MOST ATTENDED HOME GAME FOR A NATIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM TO EVER HAVE AND WIN IT IN FRONT OF THE COUNTRYMEN. THEN MERON PANG MORE THAN 1 MONTH PREPARATION TAPOS ALL THAT NATALO PA SA MINNOWS. ngek?
    21 March PHL 1–1 MYAnmar
    23 March PHL 0–0 PALestine
    25 March PHL 3–0 BANGladesh

    saying we were able to reach challenge cup for the first time is an accomplishment. but that isn't in any way can be credited to kots'.why? sa tingin niyo di rin kaya ipanalo ni mcmenemy ang stronger version ng azkals against the group of mongolia,myanmar,palestine at bangladesh?

    29 June 2014 FIFA World Cup qualification – First Round Sri Lanka 1–1
    3 July 2014 FIFA World Cup qualification – First Round
    Sri Lanka 4–0

    now on to that statement where we finally reached second round of world cup qualifier for the first time. again this can't be credited to kots. why? kasi kayang-kaya ni coach mcmenemy ipanalo din sa sri lanka ang stronger azkals version ni kots.

    basing on results, these are the FACTS:

    Coach Mcmenemy:
    - Had the weaker azkals team.
    - Never lost to minnows.
    - Drawed against powerhouses.
    - Won against powerhouses.
    - August 28, 2010 to December 2010, in a span of just 4 months DESPITE LACK OF COHESION,PREPARATION,FUNDS,TROUBLE IN PFF LEADERSHIP, JET LAGS,NO ATTENTION FROM THE PUBLIC, HAVING THE WEAKER AZKAL TEAM was able to pull off THE NATION'S EYE-OPENER, ATTENTION-GRABBING PERFORMANCES.
    - Had mcmenemy coached all the kots' games, there is little to no chance that we'd lose to minnows and better chances than none at all of winning against the powerhouses that kots' faced.

    Kots:
    - Had the stronger azkals team.
    - Lost to minnows.
    - Never won against powerhouses.
    - DESPITE HAVING NO MORE TROUBLE IN PFF LEADERSHIP, NO MORE PROBLEMS IN FUNDING, HAVING THE STRONGER AZKAL TEAM this kots can only pull off a lack-luster performance.
    - LACK OF COHESION,PREPARATION,JET LAG can't be used as factor for this kots losing because these problems also existed during mcmenemy's time.
    - NO MORE PROBLEMS IN LEADERSHIP,FUNDING AND PUBLIC ATTENTION AND HAVING THE STRONGER TEAM YET DESPITE ALL THAT CAN BE BEATEN BY MINNOWS, there's no way this kots would win against the powerhouses mcmenemy beat(past), no way this kots can beat the powerhouses he faced(present), the future di na magkalayo sa mga resultang mga yan.
    - January 2011 - onwards IN A SPAN OF ALMOST A YEAR HAS SHOWN NOTHING NEARLY COMPARABLE TO WHAT MCMENEMY WAS ABLE TO DO IN A SHORT SPAN OF JUST 4 MONTHS. HAS SHOWN NOTHING WHICH WE CAN REALLY CREDIT TO HIM IN THE CATEGORY OF ONLY HE CAN DO IT AND NO OTHER COACH CAN.

    ang punto dito is ang mga nagawa ni kots, kayang-kaya gawin ni mcmenemy or even better.
    pero yung mga nagawa ni mcmenemy, di kaya gawin ni kots.

    now before anyone says na okay rin na bago na ang coach natin kasi if mcmenemy was still our coach, defense won't take us anywhere. are you kidding me? it was defense that put the azkals and pinas football where it is right now. do you think the weaker azkals would have won if kots was the coach and used that attacking mindset? NO! matatambakan pa sila. talo nga si kots sa singapore despite having the stronger azkals team eh without the lack of funding,problems in leadership,lack of support from govt and fans.
    mcmenemy has clearly stated in that youtube video interview of his that he was forced to use a defensive tactic because of the players available to him knowing they are going to face much stronger opponents. later on that vid he said that he actually isn't a pure defensive tactics coach, kung yung much deeper line-up ngayon ay available sa kanya dati he wouldn't mind including some offense but we know this one won't forget the defense.

    ang problema kasi sa style ni weiss gusto niya more offensive mindset even against powerhouses. he wants them to act as if they are the stronger team. kaya ayun pagdating sa 2nd half, nauutakan na ng kabilang coach plus pagod na mga azkal players katipid pa mag sub.
    ilang beses na natin nakita yang natatalo tayo ng kalaban natin lagi sa 2nd half. the other coach has made adjustments while kots hasn't, tapos kahit sinong simpleng football fan nakikita na ang ginawang adjustment ng kabilang team eh wala pa ring ginagawang adjustment ang kots during the 2nd half.sabi nga nila walang back-up plan tong kots na to!

    then pag natalo pa ulit2x sirang plakang sasabihing lack of cohesion at jet lag and worse keeps blaming the players.

    and pff keeping kots as coach has nothing to do with him being a good coach, it's all about the $10 million aid galing sa DFB.

    i am not an azkals or football hater, kots hater yes.
    this is my way of showing support for the azkals and pinas football.
    kasi i hate the fact that this kots showed a defeatist attitude dahil natalo sila sa timor leste kahit meron pang susunod na mga laban.
    i hate the fact ang pa ulit2x niyang excuse na lack of cohesion, jet lag.
    i hate the fact that he blames the players for his faults.
    i hate the fact that he blames the players for his faults and it's the players who get injured, iikot na ilang beses sa ere dahil sa mga physical na mga arabo.
    i hate the fact that it's the players being insulted by the crabs sa facebook,forums,yahoo ph,etc dahil wala silang alam na ang may dahilan pala ay ang kots.
    and most of all i hate the fact na obvious na obvious na nirirape na ng vietnam si leonora pero di pa rin sinusub ng kots. what does that tell you? eh ano pa ba eh tanga!
    i hate the fact na kitang-kita na pagod na pagod na si leonora pero nakuha pang sigawan ni kots si leonora.

    a coach who only had 4 months was able to put azkals and pinas football where it is right now was able to do so because ginamit niya utak niya, now compare that to a coach who almost had a year pero natatalo ng minnows like mongolia, has shown a defeatist attitude, keeps giving excuses, doesn't sub players who are clearly tired or being targetted for injuries para mawala ang magaling na player sa team, blames the players for his faults.

    there is a need to sack this kots, it doesn't have to be mcmenemy. it has to be a coach that uses his head.
    it's not just some pinoys who have noticed this. even a singaporean saw this, a "racist" singaporean at that.
    backread niyo na lang starting page 1 ang thread na yan para maintindihan niyo pinag-uusapan doon at makita niyo gano ka racist yang hairi33.
    now the best opinion you can get is one that isn't biased. now you can't call a singaporean's opinion on this as being biased because his passion is not with the azkals, di naman siya pinoy.

    page 13 post by hairi33:
    http://kallangroar.com/singapore-national-football-team/5754-singapore-vs-philippines-7-october-friendly-13.html
    see alot of potential in Azkals. they just need a top quality coach... i mean really top quality...

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    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  2. bastisebastian

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    I want Coach Weiss head. he cannot form a decent team until now!

    BastiSebastian
    Posted 1 week ago #
  3. EricXtian

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    well madaming mga tsikas would prefer Mcmenemy for the reason na mas gwapo siya... the difference kasi sa time ni Mcmemeny sa time ni Wiess is we are being taken taken more seriously now. i dont think that the other nations really scouted us seriously when we last played the suzuki cup. i believe the situation is different for both coaches. i also have criticism for weiss, like he plays too offensive. like in the sea games when he only put few defenders in the line-up. but the difference kasi kay Weiss between kay Mcmenemy is that Weiss has the experience. ok lets imagine in that Mcmemeny was able to coach up until today? would he be able to sustain his momentum even in the time that the scouts' eyes is already seriously scouting us? my point here is that i would take a coach like Weiss anytime than a unexperienced coach.

    i am a big fan of football since 1986 when i first played it at grade school. i am a big fan of the azkals even at the time that they are losing 7-0 at the tiger cup in the mid 90s. but i will be honest ang go out in a limb into saying the reasons that we cant get any good results in my opinion is that WE HAVE A LOUSY MIDFIELD, WE TEND TO OVER-ESTIMATE OUR FIL-FOREIGN PLAYERS LALO NA YUNG MGA POGI, AND THE LOCALLY BORN PLAYERS (EXCEPT FOR ARANETA AND CALINDONG) CANT STEP UP THEIR GAME ON INTERNATIONAL MATCHES. to be honest, we have a good team pero the problem is we feel na ka-level na natin ang Iran, Korea, Japan... when the truth is we are in the level of east timor. myanmar, and cambodia. with all those players who came from abroad, with all those financial backing, with all this renewed fan support, with all this development we happened to forgot that we are still considered as minnows. minnows with good-looking players, but still minnows.

    with this topic kasi i only could comment that we may be being sidetracked to the steps we should take in persuing real development in our football. we would blame the coach's style when we cant develop yet good local players. let him coach the way he wants to coach. hindi naman natin pwede madaliin ang tagumpay.

    Posted 6 days ago #
  4. ricky

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    Joined: Feb '12
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    1 year pa lang naman siyang coach ng azkals, ganyan na agad ang gusto niyo, tandaan niyo nasa development stage pa lang football sa pinas.
    maganda naman ang ginagawa niya para sa azkals playing against stronger team, atleast mas malalaman niya ang strength at weakness ng
    kesa mag friendly siya sa mga ka level lang natin na team, mas magiimprove ang team kung ibang level ng football ang kalaban,
    at ang offensive tactics niya ay maganda naman, kesa puro depensa lang hanggang matapos nag 90 mins.

    Posted 5 days ago #
  5. HRK1

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    Joined: Jul '11
    Posts: 188

    EricXtian,

    Agree na agree ako sa post mo.

    You are right...duda ko din na hindi tayo ini-scout ng mahusay ng vietnam, singapore during the 2010 suzuki cup. In their minds, lagi tayong talunan hence, they will play as normal. Another example is that we also played the 2010 Long Tenc Cup a month before the suzuki cup. Again, we played as we used to play...nothing special...nothing to worry about.

    Tapos from that point...we qualified for the AFC Cup, We beat Sri Lanka in the 1st round of the World Cup Qualifiers, we played like a demon during the first half vs kuwait (2nd leg, and lead by half-time)...then, my yard stick of kung paano nagbago ang game play ng mga dati nating kalaban?

    Example: 2011 Long Teng Cup.

    Did EVERYONE notice na maraming delaying tactics ang hong kong, taipie vs Azkals (ie matagal silang tumayo pag na-tackle sila, matagal mag free kick, tumutumba kaagad pag na hipo lang).....that game play is different to the game play back 2010 LTC. The 2011 LTC, they saw a different PHI...and you can see from Taipie they are trying to save face....they were trying very hard not to lose to a team they used to beat easily (that's us) in their own country.

    To me, the long teng cup was the first yard stick kung may kunting improvement tayo...nakita ko to in the way we played vs Hong Kong and nakita ko to na yung ibang team was serious about us....this time they took notice.

    Another example: vs Singapore 2011
    Kahit natalo tayo, I took pride na Singapore took us seriousl by feilding a full-strenght Sing team. Sa tingin nyo ba 10 years ago, Singapore will even bother to play us in a friendly? NO !!

    Singapore wanted to test themselves against our Euro azkals....malay mo baka ma-discover sila playing against an individual who plays in a higher league (this happens in football).

    Ngayon, us fans, our players should take pride na mga kalaban natin are taking us seriously....the effect that I expect from our team is that, they too should step up and play above and beyond what our opponents normally expect from us...our euro azkals should always step up because every opponent will target them because they want to measure themselves against european standards and our local players should "double step up" because we don't want a big gap in playing standard between our euro azkals and local azkals...pag natupad to, we can be a good team that will be invited to a lot of tournaments.

    "Do or do not. There is no try" (Master Yoda)
    Posted 5 days ago #
  6. teddys dad

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    Onced again, a well reasoned and coherent post from HRK. Wish we had a like button / exalt button for individual posts...

    "Success is no accident. It is hard work, perseverance, learning,
    studying, sacrifice and most of all, love of what you are doing
    or learning to do." Pele
    Posted 5 days ago #
  7. HRK1

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    Joined: Jul '11
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    http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/246661/sports/football/tale-of-the-tape-comparing-the-styles-of-mcmenemy-and-weiss

    Article on comparing McMenemy and Weiss (by Roy Moore for GMANews, Feb 2, 2012).

    "Do or do not. There is no try" (Master Yoda)
    Posted 2 days ago #

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